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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2006/06/13/free-contract-for-web-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-68527</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found some great documents over at http://www.webdesigndocuments.com that I now use in my own business. Theyre fantastic and much more comprehensive than this :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found some great documents over at <a href="http://www.webdesigndocuments.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.webdesigndocuments.com</a> that I now use in my own business. Theyre fantastic and much more comprehensive than this <img src='http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-05-27 &#171; Where Is All This Leading To?</title>
		<link>http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2006/06/13/free-contract-for-web-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-66736</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-05-27 &#171; Where Is All This Leading To?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: will</title>
		<link>http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2006/06/13/free-contract-for-web-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-65061</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm... this isn&#039;t Wal-Mart.  If a client holds up a project that you have most of your (limited) resources invested in, how do you plan on buying more canned peaches and yogurt?  With Play-doh? 

And sure, contracts *should* be there to protect both parties &amp; manage expectations.  But the truth is, lots of people are befuddled by the wizard-speak of law.  And lots of people only bother with contracts because they want to &quot;sort any nuisance clients out&quot;.  Doesn&#039;t make it right, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230; this isn&#8217;t Wal-Mart.  If a client holds up a project that you have most of your (limited) resources invested in, how do you plan on buying more canned peaches and yogurt?  With Play-doh? </p>
<p>And sure, contracts *should* be there to protect both parties &amp; manage expectations.  But the truth is, lots of people are befuddled by the wizard-speak of law.  And lots of people only bother with contracts because they want to &#8220;sort any nuisance clients out&#8221;.  Doesn&#8217;t make it right, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Heath</title>
		<link>http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2006/06/13/free-contract-for-web-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-64934</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was presented this contract by any of my suppliers, I would seriously consider their motives and professional experience.

The ideal contract should be in place to protect both parties and manage expectations.

This looks like a quickly hashed up &quot;this should sort any nuisance clients out&quot; type contract.

I am particularly horrified by the line stating that you will sack the client and charge them for any time spent if they do not comply with your time frame.

It is the clients prerogative to dictate time frames.

Ever heard the phrase &quot;The customer is always right&quot;? Well they are. Even when they are wrong.

Your customer support is clearly lacking in many many ways.

In fact as I&#039;ve typed this my view of your company has developed from naive to charlatan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was presented this contract by any of my suppliers, I would seriously consider their motives and professional experience.</p>
<p>The ideal contract should be in place to protect both parties and manage expectations.</p>
<p>This looks like a quickly hashed up &#8220;this should sort any nuisance clients out&#8221; type contract.</p>
<p>I am particularly horrified by the line stating that you will sack the client and charge them for any time spent if they do not comply with your time frame.</p>
<p>It is the clients prerogative to dictate time frames.</p>
<p>Ever heard the phrase &#8220;The customer is always right&#8221;? Well they are. Even when they are wrong.</p>
<p>Your customer support is clearly lacking in many many ways.</p>
<p>In fact as I&#8217;ve typed this my view of your company has developed from naive to charlatan!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McDerment</title>
		<link>http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2006/06/13/free-contract-for-web-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-64910</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McDerment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@scott - this is meant to be a light weight agreement for projects that are &quot;small claims court&quot; in nature &lt;ie less than $5k&gt;.  The clauses you are describing are designed for a document with a different spirit and scope, and while any project contract *could* include them, sometimes they just add weight to documents that don&#039;t need them in most cases.

That said, while I am the son of a lawyer, I&#039;m not a lawyer...so take my advice with that caveat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@scott &#8211; this is meant to be a light weight agreement for projects that are &#8220;small claims court&#8221; in nature <ie less than $5k>.  The clauses you are describing are designed for a document with a different spirit and scope, and while any project contract *could* include them, sometimes they just add weight to documents that don&#8217;t need them in most cases.</p>
<p>That said, while I am the son of a lawyer, I&#8217;m not a lawyer&#8230;so take my advice with that caveat.</ie></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This agreement is woefully inadequate.  I hope nobody using this ever gets into a fuss with a client.

Wheres:
* jurisdiction
* arbitration clause
* opportunity to cure clause?

I could go on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This agreement is woefully inadequate.  I hope nobody using this ever gets into a fuss with a client.</p>
<p>Wheres:<br />
* jurisdiction<br />
* arbitration clause<br />
* opportunity to cure clause?</p>
<p>I could go on.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much! Just what I needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much! Just what I needed!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Charrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Charrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely. Thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely. Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My firm generally does one-third up-front to start the project, one-third when we post the site to a staging/test environment that the client can use for internal meetings and acceptance testing, and remaining third upon delivery. The distribution isn&#039;t as important as getting the client &quot;involved&quot;, financially. 

Change orders during the project are generally 50% to start and 50% upon delivery to keep things simple (or, if a small change, all at delivery). 

All expenses, such as travel for meetings, are due upon delivery too though I&#039;ve seen other firms invoice expenses monthly.

If we don&#039;t get the start payment within 10 business days, all work stops until the client understands that the project cannot move forward without their foot in the water. In each case, the up-front payment is about client commitment and participation. 

We also have a paragraph that basically says what we get paid if they cancel the project partway through. We&#039;ve had to invoke that several times to get paid for work done in good faith. In fact, several projects were allowed to complete when client management realized they still had to pay something. 

I heard a quote from a collections agency some time ago (um, a client) that I found true, if not a little hard: &quot;A contract is only as good as the sleaze who signs it.&quot; 

While I probably wouldn&#039;t use the word &quot;sleaze&quot; (not often anyway) I have experienced this first-hand. It is amazing the number of people who sign a contract then decide to change the terms or scope - and refuse to change budget or schedule - or just remember a completely different set of meetings. 

The lesson: always make sure the contract is clear and always make sure the scope is outlined well or the description includes your assumptions / project boundaries. 

While it may seem excessive to say &quot;12-15 static content pages&quot; and &quot;all final approved copy provided by client at least 3 business days before launch&quot; those boundaries can keep you from 55 pages, endless revisions, and red ink in your bank statement. 

Many of my repeat clients know the phrase &quot;hmmm. that sounds like a change order..&quot; I don&#039;t start out confrontational but they know where we are going. The trick is knowing when to use the phrase and when to kick in a (little) freebie. 

For small projects (&lt;15k) we keep the description in the contract. For large projects or if the client requires a separate detailed spec the contract refers to that document but the contract remains the control document. 

That is, if you detail functionality later, that document is always subordinate to the contract. How? The spec has a paragraph in chapter 1 that says &quot;this document is subject to the contract terms, conditions, and scope&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My firm generally does one-third up-front to start the project, one-third when we post the site to a staging/test environment that the client can use for internal meetings and acceptance testing, and remaining third upon delivery. The distribution isn&#8217;t as important as getting the client &#8220;involved&#8221;, financially. </p>
<p>Change orders during the project are generally 50% to start and 50% upon delivery to keep things simple (or, if a small change, all at delivery). </p>
<p>All expenses, such as travel for meetings, are due upon delivery too though I&#8217;ve seen other firms invoice expenses monthly.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t get the start payment within 10 business days, all work stops until the client understands that the project cannot move forward without their foot in the water. In each case, the up-front payment is about client commitment and participation. </p>
<p>We also have a paragraph that basically says what we get paid if they cancel the project partway through. We&#8217;ve had to invoke that several times to get paid for work done in good faith. In fact, several projects were allowed to complete when client management realized they still had to pay something. </p>
<p>I heard a quote from a collections agency some time ago (um, a client) that I found true, if not a little hard: &#8220;A contract is only as good as the sleaze who signs it.&#8221; </p>
<p>While I probably wouldn&#8217;t use the word &#8220;sleaze&#8221; (not often anyway) I have experienced this first-hand. It is amazing the number of people who sign a contract then decide to change the terms or scope &#8211; and refuse to change budget or schedule &#8211; or just remember a completely different set of meetings. </p>
<p>The lesson: always make sure the contract is clear and always make sure the scope is outlined well or the description includes your assumptions / project boundaries. </p>
<p>While it may seem excessive to say &#8220;12-15 static content pages&#8221; and &#8220;all final approved copy provided by client at least 3 business days before launch&#8221; those boundaries can keep you from 55 pages, endless revisions, and red ink in your bank statement. </p>
<p>Many of my repeat clients know the phrase &#8220;hmmm. that sounds like a change order..&#8221; I don&#8217;t start out confrontational but they know where we are going. The trick is knowing when to use the phrase and when to kick in a (little) freebie. </p>
<p>For small projects (&lt;15k) we keep the description in the contract. For large projects or if the client requires a separate detailed spec the contract refers to that document but the contract remains the control document. </p>
<p>That is, if you detail functionality later, that document is always subordinate to the contract. How? The spec has a paragraph in chapter 1 that says &#8220;this document is subject to the contract terms, conditions, and scope&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Investing Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investing Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s best getting the money up front, especially in the designing of content and similar copy writing services. I usually use Paypal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s best getting the money up front, especially in the designing of content and similar copy writing services. I usually use Paypal.</p>
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